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Energy and Structure

Before we can talk about how an organism functions, we need to understand its gross organization and have the ability to visualize it. We need language to create an analogy, we need an analogy to visualize things. Recently, I had a conversation with a someone on why I view saturated fat as a superior energy substrate. But before I could explain why, I had to explain how I view the organism. Below is our conversation. This will serve as a introduction through which to interpret the rest of the of the information I write about.

(7:06:07 PM) Anonymous: so, having been looking into Peat’s work for so long and coming around to seeing his ideas as logical

(7:07:27 PM) Anonymous: this leaves me not entirely sure of some things when approaching a “low carb” diet (at least as far as macro-ratios goes)

(7:09:50 PM) Anonymous: things like how this approach relates to blood sugar, sugar=anti stress, sugar needed for T4>T3, cells running on sugar etc.

(7:11:59 PM) Edward: oh man… big question… where to start…

(7:12:03 PM) Edward: o.k. so

(7:12:24 PM) Anonymous: haha

(7:12:47 PM) Edward: If me and Dr. Peat were to agree on one thing it would be that energy and structure are interdependent

(7:13:09 PM) Edward: and quite frankly that is not a new biological concept, it is older then he is

(7:14:05 PM) Edward: however, the difference between myself and Peat is the function of structure…

(7:15:29 PM) Edward: I think that structure, which is a invention of evolution is in place to deliver energy, because I think the structure exists to support the organization of the organism

(7:16:47 PM) Edward: he looks at it a bit differently inherently if he is promoting sugar which is a primitive fuel source… in other words there is no structure needed to deliver glucose to a cell

(7:18:50 PM) Edward: does that make sense what i said so far

(7:19:01 PM) Edward: at least what we disagree on

(7:19:28 PM) Anonymous: yeah

(7:19:37 PM) Edward: I need to full screen this chat window it’s getting serious in here

(7:19:53 PM) Anonymous: i did that a little while ago ;)

(7:19:57 PM) Edward: o.k. evidence of this is the vascular system, the CNS, the lymphatic system, etc

(7:20:06 PM) Edward: at least on a big scale

(7:20:23 PM) Edward: for a single celled organism we don’t need all that

(7:20:42 PM) Edward: it is happy eating sugar

(7:21:25 PM) Edward: those systems are “structure”… in biology we say cells, tissue, organs, organ system so on when we talk about structure

(7:21:36 PM) Edward: the entire digestive system is “structure”

(7:22:23 PM) Edward: that “structure” is designed to deliver nutrients and the such to all of the cells, tissue, organs, etc… in the body

(7:23:07 PM) Edward: now obviously i argue that saturated fat is a superior energy source

(7:26:25 PM) Edward: o.k. so in the body there are the different organs, the brain, the balls, the ovaries, the muscles, the heart, etc…

(7:26:42 PM) Edward: all of these require a different energy substrate…

(7:27:02 PM) Edward: for example, your balls like citrate

(7:27:47 PM) Edward: your brain likes lactate/a bit of glucose/a bit of ketones/and some specific kinds of fat

(7:28:10 PM) Edward: the muscles at rest and during most activity burn fat

(7:28:15 PM) Edward: the heart prefers it

(7:28:58 PM) Edward: the blood… ahh the blood… the blood cells have no mitochondria

(7:29:13 PM) Edward: guess where the brains gets part of it’s lactate from

(7:29:16 PM) Edward: ?

(7:29:28 PM) Edward: The anaerobic metabolism of the red blood cells

(7:30:18 PM) Edward: the colon likes butyric acid

(7:30:33 PM) Edward: so you see each part of the body likes something different

(7:31:04 PM) Edward: how is it possible to support those fuel demands?

(7:31:44 PM) Edward: you have to have structure, the vascular system, the lymphatic system, the CNS, the GI system, etc.

(7:32:27 PM) Edward: when we look at breast milk what do we see…

(7:32:42 PM) Edward: first we see percentages of all the different saturated fat chain lengths

(7:32:54 PM) Edward: short, medium, long, very long, etc

(7:33:00 PM) Edward: and then we see protein

7:33:09 PM) Edward: a splash of lactose

(7:33:23 PM) Edward: we also see some branched chain fatty acids

(7:33:37 PM) Edward: and a very tiny tiny bit of polyunsaturated fat

(7:34:08 PM) Edward: there are no ketones in milk at least not that i am aware of… and this is the hooker

(7:34:29 PM) Edward: a baby needs ketones… if a baby does not have ketones it will either die or be retarded

(7:34:57 PM) Edward: ketones serve as a cholesterol precursor and also serve as a precursor for some of the special lipids in the brain

(7:35:31 PM) Edward: give a baby glucose instead of breast feeding and it develops tumors on the brain

(7:35:52 PM) Edward: so how does the baby get the ketones it needs

(7:36:06 PM) Edward: via “structure”

(7:36:52 PM) Edward: the liver and brain can make ketones locally and delivers them to the brain… that is structure at play (ketones are probably produced elsewhere as well)

(7:37:09 PM) Edward: so remember… structure is essentially a group of cells that perform a specialized function

(7:37:24 PM) Edward: each individual cell does not have structure not in the sense we are talking about here

(7:38:02 PM) Edward: so the ketones are delivered to each cell via structure because the individual cell itself can not do this because it serves a different function

(7:38:15 PM) Edward: same with lactate

(7:38:42 PM) Edward: babies need lactate and so does the brain… the brain itself can’t do this

(7:39:08 PM) Edward: it has to be delivered by the anaerobic metabolism of the red blood cells and locally in the brain in the astrocyctes

(7:39:34 PM) Edward: does that make sense so far?

(7:40:44 PM) Anonymous: yeah, although i’m not aware of the astrocyctes

(7:41:12 PM) Edward: oh well, there are about a dozen or more different types of cells in the brain

(7:43:53 PM) Edward: o.k. glucose is a primitive fuel source it is “anti-structure” and so are polyunsatured fats but here it we have to make perfectly clear that the polyunsaturated fats are anti-structure as a fuel source, but the brain is indeed made of polyunsatured fat… that is structure… in this case the polyunsatured fats serve electric functions

(7:43:58 PM) Edward: does that make sense

(7:44:46 PM) Edward: so as a fuel polyunsaturated fast are anti-structure but that does not mean they can not be built by the body to serve a functional/structural purpose

(7:44:50 PM) Edward: ?

(7:44:58 PM) Anonymous: yep

(7:45:04 PM) Edward: cool

(7:45:35 PM) Edward: glucose can basically be absorbed through a gradient anywhere in the body

(7:46:51 PM) Edward: if you eat it it goes in your mouth, your mouth cells, your esophagus cells, your stomach, everywhere… you can make a glucose solution and inject it in your arm and your cells will use it you can squirt some up your ass and your colon cells will use it, you can put it on your skin, etc…

(7:47:29 PM) Edward: there is absolutely no structure required for any type of cell to use it

(7:47:50 PM) Edward: so the cells are intelligent

(7:47:54 PM) Edward: “intelligent”

(7:48:06 PM) Edward: they sense their environment

(7:48:20 PM) Edward: what happens when you are queuing?

(7:49:28 PM) Anonymous: as in waiting in line?

(7:49:46 PM) Edward: yes waiting in line

(7:50:08 PM) Edward: o.k. so walk through me on this

(7:50:33 PM) Edward: what is the sort of place in the UK where you’d have to queue?

(7:52:02 PM) Anonymous: bank

(7:52:20 PM) Edward: o.k. the bank… now why would you be going to the bank?

(7:53:16 PM) Edward: bare with me on this…

(7:53:45 PM) Anonymous: you want me to pick one reason?

(7:53:48 PM) Edward: yes

(7:53:51 PM) Edward: one reason

(7:54:07 PM) Anonymous: to extract money from my account

(7:56:40 PM) Edward: this is a lose analogy

(7:56:42 PM) Edward: anyway

(7:56:56 PM) Edward: you all are standing in line

(7:57:06 PM) Edward: each person walks up gets what they need and leaves

(7:57:35 PM) Edward: what happens if you don’t stand in line? Like in Germany were they all crowd around like animals?

(7:57:57 PM) Anonymous: haha!

(7:59:22 PM) Anonymous: i guess it would be hard to discern who should be seen first by the assistant at the bank

(7:59:40 PM) Anonymous: and perhaps there would be fighting between those in line…?

(7:59:53 PM) Edward: yes, they would be all fighting for the resource they came to get

(8:00:24 PM) Edward: so some people would get their money before others and others would be waiting or pushed out of the way right?

(8:00:36 PM) Anonymous: yeah

(8:00:53 PM) Edward: congratulations you now understand why we get cancer

(8:01:17 PM) Edward: and this is why structure is so important

(8:01:42 PM) Edward: when you need something you know when you need it, you go to the bank, wait in line, and you get what you need

(8:01:54 PM) Edward: money = energy substrates

(8:02:57 PM) Edward: when you have no structure or you fill your body with a fuel that requires no structure you create an environment in the body where literally the first cell to absorb the the glucose wins at the expense of it’s sister cell

(8:03:03 PM) Edward: even if it is in the same organ

(8:03:32 PM) Edward: people who don’t wait in line and crowd around like in Germany they act like animals not civilized and chaos develops

(8:03:45 PM) Edward: this is very similar to what happens in the body

(8:04:40 PM) Edward: cancer and disease really is proof that we are made up of a group of primitive (individual) cells all working together

(8:05:27 PM) Edward: when a bunch of money drops from the sky the people scatter and fight for it, they don’t all put it in a pile and then split it equally right?

(8:05:42 PM) Anonymous: mmhmm

(8:06:03 PM) Edward: and as much as it seriously pains me to use this analogy gov’t is a good analogy to use for structure

(8:06:56 PM) Edward: obviously some gov’t are better than others and as a result each individual has a better life… some gov’t suck and then the individuals (the cells) have shitty lives

(8:07:25 PM) Edward: they starve, don’t have food, get disease

(8:07:27 PM) Edward: etc

(8:08:22 PM) Edward: does all that make sense

(8:08:23 PM) Edward: ?

(8:08:33 PM) Anonymous: yep

(8:08:42 PM) Edward: are light bulbs turning on?

(8:09:01 PM) Anonymous: lol

(8:09:04 PM) Anonymous: yeah

(8:09:44 PM) Edward: o.k. break time for a moment…

4 comments… add one
  • Eckhardt 26/05/2014, 3:32 pm

    Got it! Very good and clear teaching! Thank you for it!

  • James 27/05/2014, 10:41 am

    From what I learnt from reading Ray, it doesn’t happen that the glucose creates an environment where the first cells win at the expense of others. More like glucose is there, so availability of convenient energy, so the cell that absorbs it can use it and build structure, produces more CO2 which is good for the tissue it belongs to, is then better able to communicate with neighboring cells. But you are saying that the structure doesn’t build up, in fact it doesn’t precisely because it has been fed glucose.

    I’m still not sure how much you differ from Ray on the practical level. Ray writes that sugar is good as anti-stress, it’s important to avoid low blood sugar, that a fat free diet would be fine if some nutrients were not lacking, the body could synthesize the fats it needs. Maybe those articles are more focussed on healing rather than normal health. In healing, if one has a chronic amount of stress and low blood sugar, then it makes sense to need more sugar.

  • James 27/05/2014, 10:49 am

    I should add that as far as I am aware, Ray does not seem to prioritize glucose specifically as fuel, he does not say that glucose is better than the fatty acids in coconut oil or the ketones in potatoes. It’s more about any easy to use source of energy, glucose is one example, and in some situations of disease coconut oil, ketones and possible other sources can be even better, its just that on a practical level its convenient and sufficient to use a large amount from carbs.

  • Jake 16/08/2016, 5:45 pm

    Fantastic analogy, that cleared it up for me.

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