You know your doing something right when the folks at the Ray Peat forum ban you.
I received this message from Charlie the administrator (the funny thing about people who claim to be “open-minded”, they always prefix their statements of action with authoritarian language i.e. “as administrator”):
There have been many complaints about you, particularly the number of posts in opposition to Ray Peat and that those type of discussions should be taken elsewhere as this is not the proper forum to continuously initiate such discussion. The forum was created specifically for people to come and discuss the work of Ray Peat – not to debate it, to discuss it, share insights about it and work together to understand it while gaining their health through the practical use of his information. The complaints have been increasing and as administrator I have made the decision to close the doors of the forum to you.
I think accountability is a good thing:
Hi Charlie, receiving complaints does not justify closing the doors on me. You know that I have contributed in depth information to this forum. Further I have the reputation points as evidence that what I write is useful or at least that there is some agreement. I post the the studies in the appropriate sub forum which the description says “A place to post and discuss scientific studies”, I only have ever stated that I disagree with Dr. Peat on some things, and those are more so his abstract concepts, and I am entitled to that opinion especially as a Veteran. It’s not like I don’t think the thyroid isn’t important. So I disagree, and then a user challenges and asks for evidence and I provide evidence which is crystal clear and do not engage in the childish behavior. So complaints about evidence? So what? People who complain about evidence are people who are stuck in dogma.
There is a difference between debates and discussion, discussion is evidence based, debates like in the recent thread are more of personal attacks rather then objective. I don’t participate in that. I just flag it.
Further my points of disagreement have not changed since I became a member of this forum. And like I said most of that has to do with abstract and theoretical implications.
When looking at science you cannot reject evidence, and evidence to the contrary of something does not mean evidence against it necessarily, what it does mean when results conflict is that there is another process at play or even a relationship.
And in the case of thyroid and ketones there is evidence for a relationship that goes back several decades. I’m not really willing to ignore that are you? I want to know the full functionality of the endocrine system.
You can dislike me and my style and so can the users on this forum, but really banning me only takes away from the forum. It’s all too convenient to silence someone who wants to think a little more thoroughly and carefully about things. And then you become no different from the rest of them. It’s not like I spout without presenting a study, how many studies have I provided on this forum for people to download? Hmm.
As I’ve said I’m looking for truth and ways to tie in Dr. Peat’s work with recent evidence. Making ALL your conclusions off of old studies is like saying the earth is flat and rejecting the pictures sent from space showing perfectly clearly the Earth is indeed round.
It’s fine if you want to ban me, ban me, just give me a few days to download the forum and I won’t post anything.
If you change your mind let me know, I will still continue to contribute and still will maintain the same rational and even keeled response I always write. It’s not a pissing contest for me that should be clear for sure through everything I’ve written. Most people argue at least I provide something more to go on than just an opinion.
Also your gums, it’s a sign of inefficient respiration.
And after I didn’t receive any responses, I responded once more:
Charlie, how about this? What if instead of posting the studies that conflict with Dr. Peat on the “Scientific Studies” portion of the forum I instead post them in the “Ray Peat Debate Forum”, and then the studies that tend to agree with Dr. Peat I post in the “Scientific Studies” portion of the forum. Although I feel that is filtering, it could be a reasonable compromise?
I’m completely willing to post stuff to different parts of the forum if you think it would help.
Quite frankly this came as a surprise for me. I had contributed a significant amount of time and effort to the forum and I know that my advice has come in handy for several people. I have always given citations when information I provided was counter intuitive.
It becomes apparent after spending a great deal of time on a forum like that the the people there are sick and the evidence of that manifests in their writing. Quite a few people for being healthy seem quite irate. And that is fine. I wish them the best. I made a few good friends while I was on there.